Intersting Interview with Rahul Kohli (Jack Spheer)

My Favorite ship. My OTP

Kara and Food


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nadXcRfy4Q

Again, let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Start a separate thread/dialogue if you wish and I'm sure others more eloquent than me can continue your discussion. I only joined this thread to throw in my 2 cents about Rahul responding to the toxic Supercorp ship, not to try to convince anyone to accept the Mon-El storyline, which you've made clear you have an issue with.

Ok we can do that. We obviously do not see eye to eye on this. But thank you for the civil conversation, it's a breath of fresh air compared to some of my social media interactions in this fandom.

I might start a new topic/thread later today. Yeah I definitely have some issues with him (as you can clearly see), but I digress. I'm glad you shared your opinion. It's great to get dialogue flowing between fans, even when we don't all agree.

"His mother literally used the words "your servants" to him. Whether we like it or not, he owned slaves."

If we're nitpicking terminology, "your servants" could very well be referring to attendants assigned to him as part of the royal family. And since when are "servants" slaves? Butlers and drivers (for the affluent) are "servants" but you'd get (probably more than) an earful from them if you called them "slaves".

Again, let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Start a separate thread/dialogue if you wish and I'm sure others more eloquent than me can continue your discussion. I only joined this thread to throw in my 2 cents about Rahul responding to the toxic Supercorp ship, not to try to convince anyone to accept the Mon-El storyline, which you've made clear you have an issue with.

The mere fact that Rahul saw so much ugliness because he was cast as a character's ex reveals the real reason behind the hatred. Sending hate towards an actor and acting like a hooligan about a character who hasn't even uttered a word cannot be connected with speaking up for Kara.

I agree with what Kelly and others with similar sentiments as it's exactly what I've observed.

Well,

Since we are talking about toxicity in the net; just a couple of thoughts. A bit philosophical.
About 10 years back, in college, I studied about Network Society by Jan van Dijk; I think there is also a book by Manuel Castells. I have not read the books (heh, sorry) but some of the ideas included how folks' behaviour on the net would change because they couldn't be identified. So, folks will have two separate personas. One on the net and one on the real social network. And of course, how this would give people the freedom to do things that they would not otherwise do in their immediate physical surroundings.

I see a lot of that in twitter: not just in show fandoms, but in politics; in completely non-controversial stuff like, I don't know, garbage cleaning or assault (assault is bad; but I don't think it's controversial).

It's sad; and also one of the reasons why I typically use the same rhetoric wherever I am (tumblr, Superherohype or here so that people know my stand); so that I am not tempted by anonymity to descent to cruelty (which by the way I am not, but just in case, I am angry or something ). Though, owing to my cousin's and sister's insistence, I stopped using my real name in my blogs.

I of course don't think everyone who use the net is like that. But then, everyone is not violent either. It is always the few that gets heard/seen/listened to. Because the others are polite.

And from what I have seen in tumblr and even in moderated sites it is from every corner of the fandom. (For example, Kara is my favorite character, and I have seen negative comments about Kara from all the shippers: karamel, SC and Sanvers). Even karolsen (though they tend to be minimal ).

On SC themselves:
I believe that minority groups, be it gay folks or women or people of colour, would react differently to how majority groups act because they believe that they need to speak up for the powers that be to listen; to effect change, they need to be vocal.

The questions you mention RSChick are a result of that. People (some of them) think they should speak up for LGBT/POC/Women with the show runners themselves. Show them the error of their ways so to speak. And to be honest, seeing how much Hollywood has dragged their feet with minority representation, I don't blame them. Well, not entirely. Their methods and how they go about it yes. I don't like them.

I'd prefer if they used positive critiquing instead of emotional outbursts or using accusatory tones. Because I believe even showrunners and writers have had a difficult ladder of hard work to climb to reach where they are. And there may be reasons behind their thinking that we don't know about. In any case, effecting changes on the scale that folks would like is not easy. And show runners for whatever reason do not go with one style or theme to hurt anyone.

I am not entirely sure why actors are involved in that set up anyways because they have limited power.

Just to be clear: I don't blame folks for critiquing the show if they think it is going wrong. But, I in no way and in no form condone or like ganging up on folks who have a different opinion from you regarding the show; or throwing negativity or vitriol towards them. (That sounds like I am royalty. That is not my intention. I am nobody. But, I just wanted to be clear to the folks here.)

Okay, I am done with my essay-shaped tupenny. It's more a pound, I guess.

I don't see any reason why Karamels would instigate any attacks. Their ship is already canon so what's there to complain about?

Exactly. So why are there a select few of them out there attacking the supercorp ship when their ship was canon? I never understood that.

Supercorps, on the other hand, are mostly Katie fans first and foremost and they want her to have the best ship/storyline/etc. I believe that some are not even Supergirl fans at all. So they have no qualms pushing their agenda since once Katie gets another project, they just jump on that bandwagon and the cycle continues.

This can be said of the karamel fans too as they are mostly Chris fans first and foremost. A lot of the karamel fans are former TVD/Kai fans who followed Chris to Supergirl. May I ask, what agenda are they pushing? I don't understand what you mean by that.

"I'm not judging any character on the sins of their fathers, instead I'm judging characters based on the character itself. The way I see it, most characters are trying to make up for the sins of their past/sins of their family except for Mon-El."

And yet, the Mon-El character himself did not own slaves; his family did. He wasn't the ruler of Daxam but rather was within the purview of his parents. And you don't perceive the relevance? We must be watching wildly different shows if you don't see his tt arc. To me, his was the most fleshed out of all the characters in S2. But let's agree to disagree.

His mother literally used the words "your servants" to him. Whether we like it or not, he owned slaves. As part of the royal family he held ownership of slaves; he benifted from slavery. He could have very well refused servants, but as far as we know he didn't. I see no signs of a redemption arc from him. All we ever get are blanket statements that 'he's changed' but we've never really gotten to see how. They don't give him scenes to show his character growth that don't involve his relationship with Kara. I'd like to see character growth outside of his love life. Shall we make a separate thread for this conversation or just end it here at agreeing to disagree?

I would prefer to see this thread be more about toxicity within the supergirl fandom and bringing awareness to it. I'd be happy to engage in a spirited debate about Mon-el in another thread. Start 1 up, I will post my best character analysis I can of him.

Our site here has a large community, and one that we are proud of. You guys inspire us to keep going. Saying that, we can't help but wonder if there was something Supergirl.tv could do? Should we just stay out of it? (Probably for the best). It's a difficult problem with no clear answers. Each "side" is still of the same coin. It's too bad both can't see that. Ultimately in the end, I don't want the actors and staff to take it personally. It's true what they say, you need thick skin to be in Hollywood.

Oh gosh, you guys are better off staying out of it. Shippers are a wild unpredictable bunch. My advice is to steer clear of it all. I highly doubt there would be anything you could do anyways.

I don't see any reason why Karamels would instigate any attacks. Their ship is already canon so what's there to complain about?

Exactly. So why are there a select few of them out there attacking the supercorp ship when their ship was canon? I never understood that.

Supercorps, on the other hand, are mostly Katie fans first and foremost and they want her to have the best ship/storyline/etc. I believe that some are not even Supergirl fans at all. So they have no qualms pushing their agenda since once Katie gets another project, they just jump on that bandwagon and the cycle continues.

This can be said of the karamel fans too as they are mostly Chris fans first and foremost. A lot of the karamel fans are former TVD/Kai fans who followed Chris to Supergirl. May I ask, what agenda are they pushing? I don't understand what you mean by that.

"I'm not judging any character on the sins of their fathers, instead I'm judging characters based on the character itself. The way I see it, most characters are trying to make up for the sins of their past/sins of their family except for Mon-El."

And yet, the Mon-El character himself did not own slaves; his family did. He wasn't the ruler of Daxam but rather was within the purview of his parents. And you don't perceive the relevance? We must be watching wildly different shows if you don't see his tt arc. To me, his was the most fleshed out of all the characters in S2. But let's agree to disagree.

His mother literally used the words "your servants" to him. Whether we like it or not, he owned slaves. As part of the royal family he held ownership of slaves; he benifted from slavery. He could have very well refused servants, but as far as we know he didn't. I see no signs of a redemption arc from him. All we ever get are blanket statements that 'he's changed' but we've never really gotten to see how. They don't give him scenes to show his character growth that don't involve his relationship with Kara. I'd like to see character growth outside of his love life. Shall we make a separate thread for this conversation or just end it here at agreeing to disagree?

Draft, I've stated multiple times that I'm sharing from my own experience, YMMV. It's all we can do really since it's otherwise impossible to know everything that goes on in a TV fandom. It's rather unfortunate that you've had run-ins with Karamels and Sanvers (a whole 'nother kettle I'm not going into) but most of my experiences with KM's have been pleasant/civil (the same can't be said for SC's). I think Karamels might be overzealous at times but I seldom see them being downright mean and nasty to cast/crew (again, same can't be said for Supercorps). I don't see any reason why Karamels would instigate any attacks. Their ship is already canon so what's there to complain about?

I'm not a shipper and would just as easily have been fine with Kara being alone but I also ACCEPT what is canon, something Supercorps have difficulty dealing with. I really ship Kara being happy so whatever form that takes, I'm game.

Again, not saying there are no bad elements in KM but definitely not to the extreme of SC (in my experience) so I still stand by my assertion that Karamels are either (1) better behaved themselves or (2) better at policing their ranks for misbehavior. Again, in my opinion, there's no cause for bad behavior on their part - their ship is already canon. Perhaps Rschick can back me up on this by digging up pro-SuperCorp/Sanvers tumbr posts showing Karamel toxicity (or lack thereof).

Supercorps, on the other hand, are mostly Katie fans first and foremost and they want her to have the best ship/storyline/etc. I believe that some are not even Supergirl fans at all. So they have no qualms pushing their agenda since once Katie gets another project, they just jump on that bandwagon and the cycle continues.

"I'm not judging any character on the sins of their fathers, instead I'm judging characters based on the character itself. The way I see it, most characters are trying to make up for the sins of their past/sins of their family except for Mon-El."

And yet, the Mon-El character himself did not own slaves; his family did. He wasn't the ruler of Daxam but rather was within the purview of his parents. And you don't perceive the relevance? We must be watching wildly different shows if you don't see his redemption arc. To me, his was the most fleshed out of all the characters in S2. But let's agree to disagree.

As it stands, Supercorp was the one called out, the problem child. If their misbehavior goes unchecked, they will be stinking up the entire fandom for the rest of us, if not already. Your faith in them behaving at SDCC is commendable but if Rschick's tumblr post is anything to go by, there are already plans underway to "raise hell", whatever that means. We already know what happened at the S2 Finale premiere (as detailed by one of the Supercorps, no less). The Supergirl writers, rightfully so, only acknowledge canon ships and I highly doubt that it will change. Unfortunately, knowing their agenda is futile will probably not stop Supercorp from creating a volatile environment at SDCC. I hope I'm dead wrong on this. We shall see.

First just wanted to thank folks for keeping it civil here. There's been some passionate comments but all have been respectful. Running this site and working with all of you great people takes up a lot of our time so we were actually surprised to see all the stuff that is going on. We actually took the afternoon to dive into Twitter and Tumblr to see what all was being said. Yikes!

Covering the news side of the show, we kind of missed some of the gossipy side of it. It's sad. Just sad to see. I dont know what can be done. It seems like actors and staff are removing themselves from it as best as they can but interacting with the fanbase is such a great thing to do, normally.

Our site here has a large community, and one that we are proud of. You guys inspire us to keep going. Saying that, we can't help but wonder if there was something Supergirl.tv could do? Should we just stay out of it? (Probably for the best). It's a difficult problem with no clear answers. Each "side" is still of the same coin. It's too bad both can't see that. Ultimately in the end, I don't want the actors and staff to take it personally. It's true what they say, you need thick skin to be in Hollywood.

Wow worst fandom award is not one a show should aspire to. I'm not on twitter but I see some uncool stuff on the official Supergirl FB page. Things like this are going to make actors not want to do the show. Katie's brother was catfished, were lucky she wanted to sign on for more. Chyler and David both did live FB chats and if we ever want Melissa, Chris, Katie, or anyone else to do one this has to stop. Do these people realize that this type of thing keeps cast members and show runners from doing conventions or any Q&A type interviews outside their contracts.

I want to be clear, I am not a shipper at all. I am a fan of the show because of the character supergirl and comic book story lines. I was hoping to raise some awareness as to how we as fans are being represented by a very vocal minority. the actors, crew etc that are being attacked arent asking what ship the person is a part of, they are lumping us all together; fair or not.

I am sorry if you are or anyone has felt attacked or biased against in this thread., not my intention at all.



I think most of us here aren't shippers. That probably shows in that we haven't fought with each other the way they do. You most definitely raised awareness, no question about it, I was merely pointing out that the post you supplied us is somewhat biased in what hate they chose to depict. But thank you nonetheless for sharing it.

And I agree, it's completely unfair to the rest of us that we're being lumped in with the shippers and they're becoming the face of our fandom. It's unacceptable.

Yeah that's just gross behavior. This kind of stuff needs to be stopped but I fear it never will

And what makes it worse is that's not even half of what's been going on. If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be mostly supercorp and sanvers fans which is understandable as that is a pro-karamel blog.

here is what we as a supergirl fandom has done in recent months

https://411supergirl.tumblr.com/post/162609397251/winner-of-the-worst-fandom-award

we really should be ashamed of ourselves. We all need to do better guys. I would hate to think what supergirl would think of us.

I want to be clear, I am not a shipper at all. I am a fan of the show because of the character supergirl and comic book story lines. I was hoping to raise some awareness as to how we as fans are being represented by a very vocal minority. the actors, crew etc that are being attacked arent asking what ship the person is a part of, they are lumping us all together; fair or not.

I am sorry if you are or anyone has felt attacked or biased against in this thread., not my intention at all.

"Winner of the Worst Fandom Award?

I’ve been keeping track of all the crap things that happens in the Supergirl fandom and with Rahul’s comment, it seems like a good time to review some highlights of what has happened so far."

Ew!! See...that angers me because it's NOT the SUPERGIRL fandom. It's shipper fandoms. Big difference. (refer back to my initial comment )

My personal experience with a ship fandom was being "mob" attacked by a section of Sanver fans for simply stating I loved Alex and Winn in scenes together. Holy hale... You'd thunk I had sinned against all sins...the vitriol spewed at me. Saw dozens of people who quoted me saying foul foul things to me--bringing in their horde to also attack me.

Oh gosh yes I've had some nasty experiences with some of the sanvers fans. I was upset (rightfully so I think) over the storyline about Maggie cheating. And they all came down on me like the wrath of God. It completely caught me off guard as I'm quite used to twitter spats with sc and km. But this group was on a whole other level of twitter attack.

Yeah that's just gross behavior. This kind of stuff needs to be stopped but I fear it never will

And what makes it worse is that's not even half of what's been going on. If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be mostly supercorp and sanvers fans which is understandable as that is a pro-karamel blog.

here is what we as a supergirl fandom has done in recent months

https://411supergirl.tumblr.com/post/162609397251/winner-of-the-worst-fandom-award

we really should be ashamed of ourselves. We all need to do better guys. I would hate to think what supergirl would think of us.

I need to support my girl Kelly here. Also, some great points there, squishpanda.

My personal experience with a ship fandom was being "mob" attacked by a section of Sanver fans for simply stating I loved Alex and Winn in scenes together. Holy hale... You'd thunk I had sinned against all sins...the vitriol spewed at me. Saw dozens of people who quoted me saying foul foul things to me--bringing in their horde to also attack me.

But NOTHING compares to the foul, vile, sexual memes and comments I've seen almost daily coming from Supercorp peeps. And the attacks I've seen made on the writers, actors, Karmel etc etc... just divisive, toxic spew. It's really tainted the light hearted fun of the SUPERGIRL fandom of last year.

Again, this is coming from personal experience. I gave up following the hashtag Supergirl, which is sad. Last year, for those of us who were actual fans back then, to see #Supergirl trending was a real treat. We'd all get together and were almost gleeful about the cast and series getting recognition. We were all simply just Supergirl fans celebrating and chatting it all up.

Now? I stay here and only here--knowing Eric and Kelsey run a tight ship, as well as, knowing this forum overall is populated by a mature, well spoken fanbase. We disagree from time-to-time. But, remain united as Supergirl fans first and foremost. Being respectful to one another here is of utmost importance to the forum "regulars." Sadly, I don't see the same respect being given to one another "out there." Rather than celebrating Supergirl with each other, they fight about "ships." Just sad.

here is what we as a supergirl fandom has done in recent months

https://411supergirl.tumblr.com/post/162609397251/winner-of-the-worst-fandom-award

we really should be ashamed of ourselves. We all need to do better guys. I would hate to think what supergirl would think of us.

I think we can all agree that 'shipping' fandoms are by far the worst parts of an overall fandom. And in no way do the views and actions of karamel, supercorp or sanvers reflect upon the true Supergirl fandom.

Again we are going on personal experiences here, as said. So to say that one fandom polices themselves better than another is pure speculation. You are basing that off of the interactions you've had. I would have to disagree on the idea that SCs are 'condoning' disgusting behavior (like sending Rahul hate). When the hate started, I witnessed plenty of SCs, KMs and others alike stepping up to call those people out and send Rahul some love and support. It's unfortunate that you've only had poor experiences with SC. I on the other hand have had poor experiences with all 3 of the shipping fandoms.

This is where we disagree. Karamel vitriol doesn't just end at Supercorp. It reaches to everyone and anyone who doesn't favor Mon-El. They've gone after cast members and their families too. Just because you haven't taken notice to it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Yes, SC has done it too, I'm not denying they haven't. But to think that KM hasn't is just not true. From what I've seen so far:

SC -- gone after Chris and Rahul, catfished Katie's brother, harassed the sdcc panel moderator
KM -- gone after Katie, Mehcad, Melissa's sister, and harassed David and Odette

Agreed, it is a touchy subject and in all reality, the writers should have NEVER introduced slavery to the narrative. It has brought nothing but problems. That being said, I certainly do not respect anyone who has owned slaves, founding fathers or not. I can appreciate their contributions to modern society but I do not owe respect to people who thought it was justified to own other people. People back then knew it was wrong thus the birth of early antislavery.

This is a whole other topic of conversation but, as far as M'gann, there is no outcry because she has shown actual remorse for her past. Her scenes with J'onn were so emotionally heavy (on a personal note I loved those scenes). She has been given an actual redemption arc by returning to Mars to change things for the better. Mon-El is still lacking in that department. Yes he's said that he wasn't a fan of slavery, but that's as far as his redemption has gone. The writers seemed to have glossed over this part of his past. I'm not judging any character on the sins of their fathers, instead I'm judging characters based on the character itself. The way I see it, most characters are trying to make up for the sins of their past/sins of their family except for Mon-El.

True, Supercorp was called out. There's no denying it, how could anybody deny it? What they did was gross on so many levels. But for us to blame an entire group for the actions of the few isn't the right way to approach this. We can't judge entire subsets of the fandom based on the bad eggs can we? And I highly doubt anyone will be spewing hate at SDCC, I just don't see that happening.