Might as well call the show "Girl"

In her defence.... they ARE World Killers, and Supergirl can't defeat them in the comic books, either. In fact, only a World Killer can kill a World Killer.

But we HAVE had a few discussions, as of late, that Kara really needs to be training. Still swinging wide. lol

P. S... You just posted for the first time and this is what you choose as a first comment? *sniff sniff* Is that troll I smell?

If not, jjjjuusstt checking. And... Welcome to the crew.

Kara just spent two seasons essentially taking down the arc "big bads" (Non and Rhea) by overpowering them in physical confrontations, lifting a million-ton space station, and blasting an evil Kryptonian with her heat vision. Not to mention numerous lesser baddies punched out and overcome by her superpowers, strength of will, and a bit of tactics.

Now, finally, she's up against multiple enhanced Kryptonians she can't just beat down. I'd say that's the actual measure of a hero: what do you do when you are up against an actual, mortal threat? How do you face it?

That's actually more interesting than Kara rounding up a bunch of bank robbers who can't even muss her hair with a frickin' rocket launcher.

A have to agree with those commenting. It's a treat to see Supergirl face villains she can't easily overpower. It provides some much needed tension. It infuriated me to no end, how many times Supergirl easily overpowered her enemies. Or even worse, how often an enemy would initially overpower Supergirl, but would then be chased off by the DEO, who were equipped with normal firearms. Made no sense, as if they could overpower Supergirl, then firearms should be useless.

This season, Kara hasn't been saved by the DEO and their normal guns, even once. And Supergirl is finally facing enemies that can overpower her without any tricks, like using red sunlight or kryptonite.

I personally feel like the stakes have never been higher, and I really dig it.

Okay so Supergirl can't seem to be of any help lately strength wise. It's really pathetic how her strength can't compare to the current villians' strength. I mean that scene where she is being held around the neck and struggling like a pathetic weakling is shameful. Might as well change the show's name to "GIRL".

It's pretty much standard operating procedure for the hero to get severely beaten down by the villain in some way mid-season. The Flash and Arrow also do this almost every season, to a greater or lesser degree. It makes the story more interesting. gives the character a huge obstacle to overcome, and provides them the opportunity to be a hero in the end.

At least Supergirl put up a good fight and got some good hits in, unlike Barry in The Flash seasons 2 and 3 who just got steam rolled, and Oliver in Arrow season 3 who couldn't even hit Ra's at all before being 'killed'.

Edit: After re-watching the scene, Oliver did get *one* hit in on Ra's at the very end. Not that it mattered much.

I myself think that strength is only one of the attributes of a superhero. Firstly, it depends how strength is used. There are countless examples of people using their undoubted strength for ill, and Reign is a good example of that.
Of course, physical strength is an important facet of Supergirl. But for me, it is also her unending support for others, her insistence on trying to do the right thing, and her demonstration that hope trumps fear that makes her the real hero for me.
I am, like many people, looking forward to climatic fisticuffs at the end, but let Supergirl's undoubted victory be underpinned by her other heroic qualities too.

Okay so Supergirl can't seem to be of any help lately strength wise. It's really pathetic how her strength can't compare to the current villians' strength. I mean that scene where she is being held around the neck and struggling like a pathetic weakling is shameful. Might as well change the show's name to "GIRL".

Hmmm....I'm thinking you don't know much about the worldkillers....

And really.....ya could have put this in the already created Kara/Supergirl thread. Yeah....

I think it's a good plot device to have opponents that can overpower Supergirl physically without using kryptonite, red sunlight, or "magic". This way the show is avoiding the overuse of kryptonite, which really got kind of ridiculous in "Smallville".

In her defence.... they ARE World Killers, and Supergirl can't defeat them in the comic books, either. In fact, only a World Killer can kill a World Killer.

But we HAVE had a few discussions, as of late, that Kara really needs to be training. Still swinging wide. lol

P. S... You just posted for the first time and this is what you choose as a first comment? *sniff sniff* Is that troll I smell?

If not, jjjjuusstt checking. And... Welcome to the crew.

Now, be nice.

I think this thread should be deleted. I dont think feeding trolls is something we should do here

I think it's a good plot device to have opponents that can overpower Supergirl physically without using kryptonite, red sunlight, or "magic". This way the show are avoiding the overuse of kryptonite, which really got kind of ridiculous in "Smallville".

Lena needs to invent a Solarmight*...errh, Ultrasolar ray..laser, and zap Kara with it to power her up, a lot. Kara could also use sparring against another Kryptonian, to emphasize things like superspeed to get many more punches in, heat vision while swinging, etc.

*2 points for identifying who invented the solarmight bomb.

It's getting real odd now that for the 90% of the existence of the show Kara is ridiculously overpowered and everything is just a walk in the park, and no one complains.

Now the show is done as it should be when the main villain is actually a challenge, and people complain?

It's getting real odd now that for the 90% of the existence of the show Kara is ridiculously overpowered and everything is just a walk in the park, and no one complains.

Now the show is done as it should be when the main villain is actually a challenge, and people complain?

I think that's just because Supergirl and Superman were always "ridiculously overpowered" in the comics (and the movies). (Their only weaknesses were kryptonite, red sunlight, and "magic".) So that's what people expected to see on the TV show. But in reality, a lower power level is better in my opinion, because it adds more dramatic tension to the plots.

You know, I just don't think that "Girl" emits the same vibe as "Supergirl" does. I mean, if we called it "Girl" then how would we distinguish between Kara, who can: fly, lift items like Ft. Rozz into space , stop bullets, put out fires with her breath, and shoot lasers out of her eyes - and other girls who can't do any of those things? Plus, what do we do about that "S" emblem on her chest? We surely would have to remove it and then, what? Do we put a "G" on there instead? And what would that represent? The "S" represented "Stronger Together", would the "G" represent "Going at it Alone"? And can you imagine the havoc that would be wreaked upon the DC and CW marketing department from such an action, not to mention the backlash that would be incurred from those who have bought Supergirl memorabilia?

Nope, I think that it would be best for everyone if we stick with Supergirl. Yes, she may be inconsistent with her powers at times but, she's still pretty super .

Btw, welcome to the site, Brainguynyc and hopefully you will be able to find something positive about the show to add to our forums, too!

"I think Kara's power level is just fine, to me the Super in Supergirl doesn't relate to her fighting ability or overpowering her enemies it relates to her Superheroics (the ability to do what we as humans can't) and to her heart for other people and seeing the good in them. "

Oh. I agree that Kara's power level in the TV show is just fine. But it is lower than in the comics and the movies. On the show, we've seen that Kara can't fly in space or swim underwater indefinitely, because she needs oxygen (unlike in the comics). Also, her super-strength on TV sometimes seems closer to Hercules or Samson than the extreme levels of the comic-book stories. (In the Red-Faced episode, she punched a car and knocked pieces of it across the room, but it didn't end up 20 miles away, as it likely would have in the comics.)And on TV, Kara is vulnerable to things besides kryptonite, red sunlight, and "magic" (however one wishes to define it). In Season 1, Max Lord knocked her out cold with nothing more sophisticated than an especially large conventional bomb that was apparently similar to a MOAB. Then she fell into the ocean, and appeared to be in danger of drowning. That would never have happened in the comics or in the movie (which is why I said she and Superman were overpowered there).
P.S. - By the way, "MOAB" actually stands for "Massive Ordnance Air Burst". ("Mother Of All Bombs" is just a military slang term.)

It's getting real odd now that for the 90% of the existence of the show Kara is ridiculously overpowered and everything is just a walk in the park, and no one complains.

Now the show is done as it should be when the main villain is actually a challenge, and people complain?

My recollection seems to be quite different from yours. Although I agree Kara was overpowered vs the season 1 and 2 big bads, on an episode by episode basis I remember her generally getting beaten by the villain more often than not mid episode, and then just barely squeezing out a victory at the end, assuming she even saved the day at all.

I think the issue this season is that we haven't really seen her have any solid victory over the big bad(s) yet so far (although she did have a partial victory at the end of Legion of Superheros) which makes it feel like she a bit weak, vs the typical villain of the week where we see her (usually) win in the end.

Personally, I also wish they'd show more of Kara trying to train/improve herself in some way to be able to beat the world killers.

Training is a good idea, but I feel the show’s angle isnt there. I dont think this season she’s trying to physically defeat them.

I'm no troll. Just got annoyed enough to be motivated to post. Gee, a critical comment about "Girl" oh, I mean "'Super'girl" and suddenly people shout "TROLL!". I think the writers get lazy with Supergirl's shifting level of strength. The one comment of her being beaten by a baddie then DEO shoots them away is astute. Sorry, but that last scene of her being held around the neck and doing some fruitless struggling is embarrassing.

" I think the writers get lazy with Supergirl's shifting level of strength. The one comment of her being beaten by a baddie then DEO shoots them away is astute."

Yes, I agree. In the "Childish Things" episode in Season 1, Kara couldn't even fly out of Toyman's vat of quicksand without freezing it first. Then in the season finale, she lifted Fort Rozz into space all by herself! Her level of vulnerability also seems to change all the time.
In some of the fight scenes with human opponents, Kara gets knocked to the ground by them. You would expect that it would be like punching a brick wall to them!
In my own fan fiction stories, I've tried to be as consistent as possible with Kara's power and vulnerability levels (while still keeping them somewhere below the extreme levels of the comic books and movies).

I'm no troll. Just got annoyed enough to be motivated to post. Gee, a critical comment about "Girl" oh, I mean "'Super'girl" and suddenly people shout "TROLL!". I think the writers get lazy with Supergirl's shifting level of strength. The one comment of her being beaten by a baddie then DEO shoots them away is astute. Sorry, but that last scene of her being held around the neck and doing some fruitless struggling is embarrassing.

It wasn't my comment but, I don't think that you were labeled a troll because you made a critical comment. If you spend some time looking through the posts in this thread and others, you will find quite a few who have been critical of the writing for the show and they weren't labeled a troll. And the inconsistency of Supergirl's strength has been a topic that we have discussed before, too. Most people on this forum don't believe that the show is perfect and would like to see the writing improved to make it a more solid show.

Regarding that fight scene, I wasn't fond of it either. I thought that the entire fight scene was weak and could have been done much better.

My guess is that the troll comment is based on the fact that this is the only post that you have written, it's negative and it was written without much tact.

I'm no troll. Just got annoyed enough to be motivated to post. Gee, a critical comment about "Girl" oh, I mean "'Super'girl" and suddenly people shout "TROLL!". I think the writers get lazy with Supergirl's shifting level of strength. The one comment of her being beaten by a baddie then DEO shoots them away is astute. Sorry, but that last scene of her being held around the neck and doing some fruitless struggling is embarrassing.

It wasn't my comment but, I don't think that you were labeled a troll because you made a critical comment. If you spend some time looking through the posts in this thread and others, you will find quite a few who have been critical of the writing for the show and they weren't labeled a troll. And the inconsistency of Supergirl's strength has been a topic that we have discussed before, too. Most people on this forum don't believe that the show is perfect and would like to see the writing improved to make it a more solid show.

Regarding that fight scene, I wasn't fond of it either. I thought that the entire fight scene was weak and could have been done much better.

My guess is that the troll comment is based on the fact that this is the only post that you have written, it's negative and it was written without much tact.

exactly. I disagree with many of the people here about many different things and get along with them just fine. but if your first presentation is soaking in misogynistic jargon, I am gonna call it out.