Supergirl Season Five Episode Discussion and Review Volume 1

TVGuide.com interview it Katie, here are some highlights.

When asked what it was like filming that confrontation scene, which took a day to film, she said it was “horrendous” then explains why “the thing about things like that is that your mind knows it's fake, but your body doesn't know, because you're asking your body to go through it. So the emotions are all, as far as your body is concerned, very real.” but she added that the finished product was worth it. That’s a bit of incite about what these actors put themselves through for our entertainment. She also said “It was a long, very emotional day, and if you can see how much Melissa is delivering on her coverage, she gives just as much when the camera's not on her”.

Lastly here’s what she said this Sunday’s episode The Wrath of Rama Khan “What I have to say about it is that episode is very exciting. It's like nail-biting. Every episode is slightly different, but this one's sort of like edge-of-your-seat, nail-biting, very tense episode.”
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To me the episode before #100 will set for me what I want in ep. 100. I dont want a throwaway episode for the sake of them suddenly going silly on us. I certainly would love to see Cat, Monel and Winn in the Ep....but I want it to continue the story. I dont want a one off, simply for the sake of celebrating #100. Show me BTS of them acting bonkers, I want a solid episode that furthers the story at that moment.

I'm pretty much the complete opposite, that was one part of The Flash's 100th episode I didn't enjoy was a continuation of the season long story-line.

The way I look at it there's 20 other episodes in which you can have the season long story running through them there should be at least 1 episode a season which can be standalone. To me Supergirl # 100 is the perfect episode to be a celebration of the character of Supergirl, a This is your life Kara Zor-El kinda thing.

If u can guarantee me no throwaway eps. Ok...but ya can't. I dont want a silly episode....I want something with substance.

I hope the 100th episode is a bonkers fun one-off that lets the cast have fun and celebrate their achievement with the fans.

Brie, I saw online that Danielle Panabaker said the most recent episode of The Flash (which SHE directed) would show Grant Gustin at his goofiest. Well, I say for episode 100, let Melissa be the queen of silly. She has shown silliness in many behind the scenes pictures and videos on Instagram.

Time to loosen up and celebrate.

That Flash episode was delightfully bonkers! I wouldn't want every episode to be like it, but it is nice to just have some fun once in a while.

Ever since Queller took over, I have had the impression that the show takes itself a little too seriously at times.

To me the episode before #100 will set for me what I want in ep. 100. I dont want a throwaway episode for the sake of them suddenly going silly on us. I certainly would love to see Cat, Monel and Winn in the Ep....but I want it to continue the story. I dont want a one off, simply for the sake of celebrating #100. Show me BTS of them acting bonkers, I want a solid episode that furthers the story at that moment.

I hope the 100th episode is a bonkers fun one-off that lets the cast have fun and celebrate their achievement with the fans.

Brie, I saw online that Danielle Panabaker said the most recent episode of The Flash (which SHE directed) would show Grant Gustin at his goofiest. Well, I say for episode 100, let Melissa be the queen of silly. She has shown silliness in many behind the scenes pictures and videos on Instagram.

Time to loosen up and celebrate.

Good thoughts, Brierrose! Sounds like a plausible resolution.

Repairing Kara and Lena's friendship aside...

This is some of what Lena knows.
• That her friend pretended to be interviewing her for a story about her mother while really just digging for dirt on Cadmus.
• That her best friend didn't trust her with Kryptonite when she was trying to find a way to defeat Reign, opinions vary on Kara’s reaction.
• That her best friend was the one who recruited her boyfriend to spy on her. I think the consensus is that Kara was wrong to ask James to break onto L Corp, this IMO was Kara’s biggest mistake and on her.
• That her friend interviewed her about Mercy Graves just so she could find and stop Mercy.

Even were all of the above true, it would still not justify Lena's actions. She has gone far beyond "righteous anger" and jumped to threat to humanity. Pretty words about doing no harm aside, she literally aims to bend every other person to her will.

The most ironic line of Tremors was from Lena-- "I'm not a villain," spoken as she makes off with a stolen Kryptonian superweapon. (Ranks up there with Obi Wan Kenobi's: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." )

If and when Lena realizes the truth of Kara's motives and comes around, there is no way in Hades I would trust her again. Kara, though, is possessed of an incalculable supply of goodwill and forgiveness, so I'm fairly sure it will work out with her. Seeing how the other characters in Kara's orbit react will be even more interesting to me.

Quite true two wrongs don't make a right. I wanted to point out that Lena's feelings aren't coming out of left field. That in no way makes her actions justifiable, being hurt doesn't give you the right to hurt back. Lena's recent actions with Eve, Ma'alefa'ak, and in the Fortress are villainous. Things seem to have turned out better for Ma'alefa'ak but that wasn't due to Lena. IRL the Eve/Hope thing was probably done in part as a way to allow Andrea to work as late into her pregnancy as she wants to. I would love to see Kara struggle to trust Lena again. It seems from the synopsis of CoIE that Alex and J'onn work with Lena but that's an understandable if we don't work together we're all going to die situation like working with Lillian in season two. It would be nice to see cynical Alex have plan Bs like Kara did when working with Lillian (having Winn program CyborgSuperman to get them all off the ship and having Lena/Winn give the lead bomb denotator to Supergirl).

Good thoughts, Brierrose! Sounds like a plausible resolution.

Repairing Kara and Lena's friendship aside...

This is some of what Lena knows.
• That her friend pretended to be interviewing her for a story about her mother while really just digging for dirt on Cadmus.
• That her best friend didn't trust her with Kryptonite when she was trying to find a way to defeat Reign, opinions vary on Kara’s reaction.
• That her best friend was the one who recruited her boyfriend to spy on her. I think the consensus is that Kara was wrong to ask James to break onto L Corp, this IMO was Kara’s biggest mistake and on her.
• That her friend interviewed her about Mercy Graves just so she could find and stop Mercy.

Even were all of the above true, it would still not justify Lena's actions. She has gone far beyond "righteous anger" and jumped to threat to humanity. Pretty words about doing no harm aside, she literally aims to bend every other person to her will.

The most ironic line of Tremors was from Lena-- "I'm not a villain," spoken as she makes off with a stolen Kryptonian superweapon. (Ranks up there with Obi Wan Kenobi's: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." )

If and when Lena realizes the truth of Kara's motives and comes around, there is no way in Hades I would trust her again. Kara, though, is possessed of an incalculable supply of goodwill and forgiveness, so I'm fairly sure it will work out with her. Seeing how the other characters in Kara's orbit react will be even more interesting to me.

Someone on another site brought this up so although I’ve given it my own spin, I can’t take credit for the idea. We as an audience know that Kara has always believed in Lena and been on her side but there’s a lot that Lena doesn’t know. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was the only one who believed she was innocent in “Luthor’s”. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was just as worried about her as Mon-EL when they were trapped on the Daxamite ship in “Resist. Lena doesn’t know the extent of what Kara did to prove the lead bomb didn’t poison the kids in “Damage”. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was seconds away from telling her on the plane back from Kasnia or that Alex told Kara to wait at game night.

This is some of what Lena knows.
• That her friend pretended to be interviewing her for a story about her mother while really just digging for dirt on Cadmus.
• That her best friend didn't trust her with Kryptonite when she was trying to find a way to defeat Reign, opinions vary on Kara’s reaction.
• That her best friend was the one who recruited her boyfriend to spy on her. I think the consensus is that Kara was wrong to ask James to break onto L Corp, this IMO was Kara’s biggest mistake and on her.
• That her friend interviewed her about Mercy Graves just so she could find and stop Mercy.

Remember how Lena said Kara is a good actress. Lena thinks Kara’s pretended to befriend her in order to "keep an eye on the resident Luthor", that Kara’s been manipulating her just like everyone else always did. All Lena sees is what she believes to have been a performance for the last three years whose purpose was to "keep your enemies close,". Kara did tell Livewire that she’d been keeping an eye on her when she went to ask Livewire to go to Fort Roz with her. Do I condone Lena’s most recent actions, no I don’t but the more I think about it I can see her POV.

At some point, someone else (Alex would be the best candidate) will tell Lena how often Kara’s stood up for Lena and genuinely believed in her. I can see Lena using her baby truth seeker like she did with Lillian. I can picture a Kara/Lena scene where Kara insists she’s been Lena’s friend all along and Lena tells her to prove it. They’ve never said the truth seekers venom doesn’t work on Kryptonians.

Look at this picture carefully. Look who is behind switch. I think Lena prepared to turn on racket but (Eve)Hope did it at the end! What do you think about my short theory?

Wow! Just realized, I've rewatched this week's episode 3.5 times already. I like it even better than the first time I watched. Says a lot about this season--me excited to re-watch each episode more than once. Haven't done that since season 1, to this extent. The way Melissa plays Kara during the Kara/Lena scene--WOW! She reverts back to the more innocent and naive Kara from season 1. It's especially noticeable at two parts--"Why didn't you come to me...." and..."Are you going to kill me?" So so well done. And, I specifically want to point out, that usually, when Kara is in the Supergirl suit, I see Supergirl. This was one time that I can think of where I saw Kara actually in the suit. Again, that's high praise for Melissa.

I enjoyed Tremors alot...the Lena/Kara scenes have been the best of all seasons.

I would really like for the 2 to come to an understanding and then Lena rides off into the sunset.....but loving the drama this season.

Glad the Jonn family drama 6.0 is over, my hope is that "emo" Jonn is a thing of the past.

Loved sassy Supergirl this episode very much....I want to see more of that in the future.

Pictures have revealed Lena to be working alongside Alex in the Supergirl episode of the Crisis crossover. This means 1 of 2 things. Either Lena comes to her senses and forgives Kara, at the end of this upcoming episode (Wrath of Rama Khan), or the Crisis begins, and Team Supergirl and Lena realize they need to work together, for the sake of survival.

Regardless, Kara knows about Lena's actions, now, and they aren't stretching that trope over the whole season, which is nice. As a result, the pacing, this year, has been so much better than last year. Not every episode is a winner, but things have been moving along nicely, these past few episodes.

I noticed those pictures. Team Super worked with Lillian to fight a bigger threat back in Season 2. It could go either way. I like not knowing yet. ?

The pacing has indeed made a big, big difference this year.

Regardless, Kara knows about Lena's actions, now, and they aren't stretching that trope over the whole season, which is nice. As a result, the pacing, this year, has been so much better than last year. Not every episode is a winner, but things have been moving along nicely, these past few episodes.

I said the EXACT same thing to Kiwi the other day, Kdogg. They are doing a much better job at pacing things since season 1, in my opinion WAY better over last season, at least.

Pictures have revealed Lena to be working alongside Alex in the Supergirl episode of the Crisis crossover. This means 1 of 2 things. Either Lena comes to her senses and forgives Kara, at the end of this upcoming episode (Wrath of Rama Khan), or the Crisis begins, and Team Supergirl and Lena realize they need to work together, for the sake of survival.

Regardless, Kara knows about Lena's actions, now, and they aren't stretching that trope over the whole season, which is nice. As a result, the pacing, this year, has been so much better than last year. Not every episode is a winner, but things have been moving along nicely, these past few episodes.

Someone in a FB group I belong to posted this and I thought it was too funny not to share.



Shoutouts to Katie’s first major role and the snickers ads that are running in comic books.

Rewatching last week's episode right now. I actually liked it. And, I found myself really liking Andrea after it. She now feels like a sadly tragic person to me--she could have been great, but chose wrong, very very wrong. lol

One thing I just realized is helping to make this season great for me since season 1--not so many random aliens running around everywhere AND we're back at Noonan's. Having aliens everywhere, for me, made Supergirl and Superman AND J'onn feel less special, unique. They were starting to make the entire Earth feel like the cantina back on Tatooine. If I could have ANY change come from Crisis it would be THAT--aliens just being from Fort Rozz. I miss the feeling of being afraid of the "things that go bump in the night"-- like the Jailer episode where the FBI was trying to keep the "strange things" a secret.

I feel like I can trust the writers more this season than I have since they moved to Vancouver. My only problem is, we have not had a solid FULL SEASON of this series. We get a solid half a season.....so there is a part of me that wonders when the table turns and the writing goes off the path and over the cliff.

Confidence Woman was IMO necessary and not “filler”, we needed the backstory for Andrea/Acrata. I actually care about her now that there’s more to her than a horrible boss. Similarly, I thought “Man of Steel” made Ben Lockwood a more compelling character last season. It also provided some context for Lena’s reaction to finding out Kara’s secret. And now all the players know the name Leviathan. My prediction is Kara and Lena will realize they have to work together against Leviathan in the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Working together will help them regain some of the trust that’s been lost on both sides. Looking back on last season almost everything was done for a reason even if we didn’t know the reason for several episodes, growing up my dad told me patience is a virtue so let’s show some.

Confidence Women was certainly not filler. I also agree the characters need a backstory. I didn't care for the backstory as much as I expected to, but it did flesh Andrea out. I'm not anymore sympathetic, but hardly anyone is a villain in their own eyes.

Confidence Women was what I would call an "eat your vegetables" episode--something you have go through in order to get to the "good stuff."

Last season, for me, the good stuff was just barely worth it. This year seems much better so far.

Confidence Woman was IMO necessary and not “filler”, we needed the backstory for Andrea/Acrata. I actually care about her now that there’s more to her than a horrible boss. Similarly, I thought “Man of Steel” made Ben Lockwood a more compelling character last season. It also provided some context for Lena’s reaction to finding out Kara’s secret. And now all the players know the name Leviathan. My prediction is Kara and Lena will realize they have to work together against Leviathan in the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Working together will help them regain some of the trust that’s been lost on both sides. Looking back on last season almost everything was done for a reason even if we didn’t know the reason for several episodes, growing up my dad told me patience is a virtue so let’s show some.

I agree with all of this. Once season 4 was complete, we could look back on earlier episodes and see why certain things were done. I still think The Elite were used poorly, though. But that's just my opinion.

I have the same feeling, this year. The things that are less-than-great on an episode-to-episode basis probably have a reason. That said, I do think they need to do better at making each episode stand out in it's own quality, while still allowing it to contribute to the ongoing narrative. And also, keeping Kara at the center.

I agree that there’s room for improvement in making individual episodes stand out more. I also think that we as an audience need to play the long game a bit more and trust the writers will bring things together like they did last season. For me a bit of the issue comes from where a show falls on the spectrum of being procedural versus serialized. Season one of this show leaned more towards procedural then with the network switch went more serialized to match the other Arrowverse shows. IMO it’s more challenging to make individual episodes stand out when a show is highly serialized. One show that I think had a great procedural/serialized balance was The X-Files. Each season and the show itself had an overall arc and many episodes served to move that along. But there were also some “monster of the week episodes” that had absolutely nothing to do with moving the story along. Those episodes were some of the most bonkers fun ones and often served as a chance for the audience to catch their breath from the heavy stuff. I’m not sure if 20 some years later audiences would tolerate that same balance. Should the show do some (say 3-4 per 22 episode season) bonkers fun, standout “villain of the week” episodes that have nothing to do with the main arc. If you think about it some fan favorite episodes of Arrowverse shows have been called “fun filler”. Would today’s audiences accept that if say the showrunners announced that intention at SDCC so we know it’s coming. I hope the 100th episode is a bonkers fun one-off that lets the cast have fun and celebrate their achievement with the fans.

Confidence Woman was IMO necessary and not “filler”, we needed the backstory for Andrea/Acrata. I actually care about her now that there’s more to her than a horrible boss. Similarly, I thought “Man of Steel” made Ben Lockwood a more compelling character last season. It also provided some context for Lena’s reaction to finding out Kara’s secret. And now all the players know the name Leviathan. My prediction is Kara and Lena will realize they have to work together against Leviathan in the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Working together will help them regain some of the trust that’s been lost on both sides. Looking back on last season almost everything was done for a reason even if we didn’t know the reason for several episodes, growing up my dad told me patience is a virtue so let’s show some.

I agree with all of this. Once season 4 was complete, we could look back on earlier episodes and see why certain things were done. I still think The Elite were used poorly, though. But that's just my opinion.

I have the same feeling, this year. The things that are less-than-great on an episode-to-episode basis probably have a reason. That said, I do think they need to do better at making each episode stand out in it's own quality, while still allowing it to contribute to the ongoing narrative. And also, keeping Kara at the center.