How does Lena not know

I'd like Lena to be what I had hoped for Mon El last season. Someone who doesn't give much thought to heroics and idealism, but is ready to support her friends to the tilt; but still has legitimate personal concerns. (Right now, she is being too heroic and idealistic. . I find it hard to accept in a business woman of such calibre who has dealt with people like her mother and Edge.)

Going head to head with Kara and Supergirl on matters of ideals, but walking with her when it comes to supporting her in matters of life and death.

So, I hope, since, they are having the friend to foe story in Reign anyways, they won't go with Evil Lena for this show.

But, I will be extremely disappointed if there is no fall out. And, I find it highly unlikely; given the stress they have given on Lena's vulnerability as well as faith. Best Case scenario is Kara tells the truth herself; but even then, there would be fall out.

It could very well be that part of the reason Kara hasn't told Lena is that buried deep down in her subconscious there is a I'll call self preservation instinct telling Kara that a Super shouldn't trust a Luthor with thier true identity. I know I've experienced something I can't explain telling me not to do something when there's no rationale reason not to.

I think that among other reasons stated in this thread are why Kara hasn't come clean. IMO that raises three questions.

The first question is what if anything will cause Kara to realize these unconscious feelings. I can see a talk with James, who more than anyone understands the Super/Luthor dynamic, where he says it's getting harder for him to cover for her at work and asking Kara why she doesn't trust Lena enough to just tell her the truth about why she keeps running off.

The second question is what will Kara tell Lena when she inevitably does find out. I don't want Kara to blame Alex or anyone else. Will she give multiple reasons or just one? I hope it's the truth mostly because I as a viewer want to know.

The third question is how will Lena react. No matter what Kara says, if she even gets a chance to explain, Lena's going to be hurt and we should see that. I'd like to see a couple of episodes where Kara doesn't know if she's lost Lena's friendship and if Lena's been pushed over the Luthor edge. It could be Kara making some sacrifice for Lena perhaps involving Morgan Edge that gets them talking again but Lena says they have to start their friendship again with no secrets.

I don't want evil Lena, gray sure but not evil.

.....HOWEVER, there has to still be some residual impact once Lena does find out.....it cannot be "oh that's ok bestie" because IMO that would not be in character for Lena. No matter what direction the writer's take Lena, she is 1/2 Luthor and that must always be just under the surface in all that she does. IMHO.

And THAT right there just took me back to the scene of Lena sitting on her office couch, glaring at that chess board.

A lot of people are asking "why wont Kara tell Lena that she is Supergirl?" and I know the answer!

see it has been made clear in the last two season that Supergirl is Kara Danvers and she loves to be Kara Danvers (well not recently but you know what I mean) because it gives her a place to feel normal. Like for example S1E5 Red Faced where she tries her hardest to keep game night alive because it is the only thing normal. Also that one episode (cant remember which one) where Kara thanks Cat Grant and says "it makes me feel normal" You guys connecting the dots here? Basically is that Lena is the only one who doesn't know and Supergirl wants to keep it that way BECAUSE it is one of the last remaining places where she can BE normal and feel normal, like having a connection from alien to human.

Others have made this point, and I totally get that.....but Catco/Reporter live does that for her and that is what she realized in Seasons 1and 2....however, I do think this is part of it. But, I think the other part is whether she even realizes it or not, there is a distrust way down deep that she has probably been pushing deeper with Lena because she so understands Lena's desire to move out of the shadow of her family, Kara gets that.....HOWEVER, there has to still be some residual impact once Lena does find out.....it cannot be "oh that's ok bestie" because IMO that would not be in character for Lena. No matter what direction the writer's take Lena, she is 1/2 Luthor and that must always be just under the surface in all that she does. IMHO.

A lot of people are asking "why wont Kara tell Lena that she is Supergirl?" and I know the answer!

see it has been made clear in the last two season that Supergirl is Kara Danvers and she loves to be Kara Danvers (well not recently but you know what I mean) because it gives her a place to feel normal. Like for example S1E5 Red Faced where she tries her hardest to keep game night alive because it is the only thing normal. Also that one episode (cant remember which one) where Kara thanks Cat Grant and says "it makes me feel normal" You guys connecting the dots here? Basically is that Lena is the only one who doesn't know and Supergirl wants to keep it that way BECAUSE it is one of the last remaining places where she can BE normal and feel normal, like having a connection from alien to human.

If she starts trying to spin it, it will make it worse....because the spin turns out to really just be excuses. I would like to know at some point the real reason WHY she hasn't told Lena. Is it because she is a Luthor? Because she hasn't told but 2 people? Lena thinks they are BFF's and so does Kara, isn't that what Winn was to her? She didn't tell him because she needed a tech guy, she told him because he was her best friend and she wanted to share it with him. So? Why not share it with Lena? There really needs to be some narrative as to why she hasn't told her.....


simple, you throw Alex under the bus. 'My sister wouldnt let me tell anyone', and explain recent events (her attacks from Psi) have made her want to embrace what she has more than ever.


I don't like when people do that, so I hope that is not the direction the writers go.....she needs to be 100% on the level, not throwing people under the bus, trying to make excuses, etc....she puts it out there as it is, whatever that may be as long as its the truth.

Here's the thing, apparently they became best buds last season, even though nothing really ever showed that, but apparently they did. And, we have not heard Kara even once talk with anyone about wanting to tell Lena....if she had done that, and Alex said no way, then sure put it on Alex, but we haven't seen even a tid bit of a scene showing this.


In episode 1x2 Alex arrives at Kara's appartment and is miffed when she learns Kara has told Winn. Episode 1x3 while eating sticky buns at the diner Alex says 'seriously the less people who know the better'

So it would not be a lie to say Alex wouldnt let me.


And we have seen absolutely nothing in this line of thinking since those episodes. It would be a lie, because that was back when Kara was still unsure of herself as Supergirl, Alex was still unsure of Kara as Supergirl, neither of them are the same person anymore, and for the most part Season 1 has been wiped out.....so, I believe it would be a lie at this point, unless we see something of Kara thinking about telling Lena and Alex saying, no way.



so if Kara showed up at the DEO and casually let Alex know she told Lena; you think Alex would be fine with it, or upset? I dont think its a stretch to assume that Kara has been told many times by her family not to tell anyone.

If you are told to keep something a secret, how often do you need to have that reinforced upon you?

See. I don't think she should do this because I don't think it is true. Alex may always be protective of her but even so, she has a lot more faith in Kara than she had in S1E2. And she would respect Kara's ability to take the lead on this as she has done almost all of S2 and S3. Kara herself doesn't need Alex's approval any more; hasn't since end of Season 1. They are equals, not people in an unequal relationship where one has to defer to the other's wisdom.

And.. .Kara would never throw Alex under the bus or lie about why she told Winn when in fact it was because he was her best friend. Last episode, she thought for a moment that Lena knew and was getting really uncomfortable about it. But, what she would have said I cannot say. Most likely the truth.

In fact, I am not entirely sure why she has not told Lena yet. But, I think it is mostly because all of last season, Lena was not quite as important to Kara as she seemed to think. I mean, Kara obviously cares for her and is protective of her, but I have never seen the same level of care as she displays for Alex, Winn, J'onn or Mon El or even James.

Winn had been Kara's friend for some time before she told him that she was Kryptonian. Naturally, it'd take her some amount of time to trust Lena the same way even if they hang out and are fond of each other. Even now, Lena is the person she pretends the most with; She kept Alex and J'onn at a distance in episode 2, but was all friendly Kara Danvers with Lena (until she started asking uncomfortable questions about Mon El). And with Winn too, the distance was there--may be because she trusts the three of them to understand when she is not herself and also that she needs more time. I mean, she has the freedom to be selfish with them. She is never that with Lena.

I don't think the issue is that Kara has not told her; because honestly, it is her right to keep something so personal to her until she trusts someone fully; and she has followed a pattern there (Lucy was told only because Alex was in danger).

I think the issue is that Lena thinks more of her relationship with Kara than it is at this stage and when she finds out the truth, the effect would be in proportion to Lena's feelings towards Kara and her baggage about the Luthor name and other significant betrayals rather than Kara's feelings towards Lena and what exactly the truth is.

Get out of my head SSAV.....lol

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I felt me and Kelly had a pretty healthy back and forth, I understood where she was coming from, I just dont totally agree with it. good discussions CAN happen here guys.

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If she starts trying to spin it, it will make it worse....because the spin turns out to really just be excuses. I would like to know at some point the real reason WHY she hasn't told Lena. Is it because she is a Luthor? Because she hasn't told but 2 people? Lena thinks they are BFF's and so does Kara, isn't that what Winn was to her? She didn't tell him because she needed a tech guy, she told him because he was her best friend and she wanted to share it with him. So? Why not share it with Lena? There really needs to be some narrative as to why she hasn't told her.....


simple, you throw Alex under the bus. 'My sister wouldnt let me tell anyone', and explain recent events (her attacks from Psi) have made her want to embrace what she has more than ever.


I don't like when people do that, so I hope that is not the direction the writers go.....she needs to be 100% on the level, not throwing people under the bus, trying to make excuses, etc....she puts it out there as it is, whatever that may be as long as its the truth.

Here's the thing, apparently they became best buds last season, even though nothing really ever showed that, but apparently they did. And, we have not heard Kara even once talk with anyone about wanting to tell Lena....if she had done that, and Alex said no way, then sure put it on Alex, but we haven't seen even a tid bit of a scene showing this.


In episode 1x2 Alex arrives at Kara's appartment and is miffed when she learns Kara has told Winn. Episode 1x3 while eating sticky buns at the diner Alex says 'seriously the less people who know the better'

So it would not be a lie to say Alex wouldnt let me.


And we have seen absolutely nothing in this line of thinking since those episodes. It would be a lie, because that was back when Kara was still unsure of herself as Supergirl, Alex was still unsure of Kara as Supergirl, neither of them are the same person anymore, and for the most part Season 1 has been wiped out.....so, I believe it would be a lie at this point, unless we see something of Kara thinking about telling Lena and Alex saying, no way.



so if Kara showed up at the DEO and casually let Alex know she told Lena; you think Alex would be fine with it, or upset? I dont think its a stretch to assume that Kara has been told many times by her family not to tell anyone.

If you are told to keep something a secret, how often do you need to have that reinforced upon you?

See. I don't think she should do this because I don't think it is true. Alex may always be protective of her but even so, she has a lot more faith in Kara than she had in S1E2. And she would respect Kara's ability to take the lead on this as she has done almost all of S2 and S3. Kara herself doesn't need Alex's approval any more; hasn't since end of Season 1. They are equals, not people in an unequal relationship where one has to defer to the other's wisdom.

And.. .Kara would never throw Alex under the bus or lie about why she told Winn when in fact it was because he was her best friend. Last episode, she thought for a moment that Lena knew and was getting really uncomfortable about it. But, what she would have said I cannot say. Most likely the truth.

In fact, I am not entirely sure why she has not told Lena yet. But, I think it is mostly because all of last season, Lena was not quite as important to Kara as she seemed to think. I mean, Kara obviously cares for her and is protective of her, but I have never seen the same level of care as she displays for Alex, Winn, J'onn or Mon El or even James.

Winn had been Kara's friend for some time before she told him that she was Kryptonian. Naturally, it'd take her some amount of time to trust Lena the same way even if they hang out and are fond of each other. Even now, Lena is the person she pretends the most with; She kept Alex and J'onn at a distance in episode 2, but was all friendly Kara Danvers with Lena (until she started asking uncomfortable questions about Mon El). And with Winn too, the distance was there--may be because she trusts the three of them to understand when she is not herself and also that she needs more time. I mean, she has the freedom to be selfish with them. She is never that with Lena.

I don't think the issue is that Kara has not told her; because honestly, it is her right to keep something so personal to her until she trusts someone fully; and she has followed a pattern there (Lucy was told only because Alex was in danger).

I think the issue is that Lena thinks more of her relationship with Kara than it is at this stage and when she finds out the truth, the effect would be in proportion to Lena's feelings towards Kara and her baggage about the Luthor name and other significant betrayals rather than Kara's feelings towards Lena and what exactly the truth is.

I get where you are coming from with that....but I still think that is a weak argument. The person she can just be Kara with is Alex....why? because she has just been Kara with her for 1/2 her life.

Ohhhhhh yeah. Truth. Well then crap. lol

I really still hope she finds out WITH Kara there to see Lena's reaction. And for dramatics sake, I hope it's while Kara having to show her powers AS Kara. We've seen jist about every other way of revealing the truth. Supergirl in action as Kara... we haven't seen.

If she starts trying to spin it, it will make it worse....because the spin turns out to really just be excuses. I would like to know at some point the real reason WHY she hasn't told Lena. Is it because she is a Luthor? Because she hasn't told but 2 people? Lena thinks they are BFF's and so does Kara, isn't that what Winn was to her? She didn't tell him because she needed a tech guy, she told him because he was her best friend and she wanted to share it with him. So? Why not share it with Lena? There really needs to be some narrative as to why she hasn't told her.....

simple, you throw Alex under the bus. 'My sister wouldnt let me tell anyone', and explain recent events (her attacks from Psi) have made her want to embrace what she has more than ever.

I don't like when people do that, so I hope that is not the direction the writers go.....she needs to be 100% on the level, not throwing people under the bus, trying to make excuses, etc....she puts it out there as it is, whatever that may be as long as its the truth.

Here's the thing, apparently they became best buds last season, even though nothing really ever showed that, but apparently they did. And, we have not heard Kara even once talk with anyone about wanting to tell Lena....if she had done that, and Alex said no way, then sure put it on Alex, but we haven't seen even a tid bit of a scene showing this.

In episode 1x2 Alex arrives at Kara's appartment and is miffed when she learns Kara has told Winn. Episode 1x3 while eating sticky buns at the diner Alex says 'seriously the less people who know the better'

So it would not be a lie to say Alex wouldnt let me.

And we have seen absolutely nothing in this line of thinking since those episodes. It would be a lie, because that was back when Kara was still unsure of herself as Supergirl, Alex was still unsure of Kara as Supergirl, neither of them are the same person anymore, and for the most part Season 1 has been wiped out.....so, I believe it would be a lie at this point, unless we see something of Kara thinking about telling Lena and Alex saying, no way.

so if Kara showed up at the DEO and casually let Alex know she told Lena; you think Alex would be fine with it, or upset? I dont think its a stretch to assume that Kara has been told many times by her family not to tell anyone.

If you are told to keep something a secret, how often do you need to have that reinforced upon you?

If she starts trying to spin it, it will make it worse....because the spin turns out to really just be excuses. I would like to know at some point the real reason WHY she hasn't told Lena. Is it because she is a Luthor? Because she hasn't told but 2 people? Lena thinks they are BFF's and so does Kara, isn't that what Winn was to her? She didn't tell him because she needed a tech guy, she told him because he was her best friend and she wanted to share it with him. So? Why not share it with Lena? There really needs to be some narrative as to why she hasn't told her.....

simple, you throw Alex under the bus. 'My sister wouldnt let me tell anyone', and explain recent events (her attacks from Psi) have made her want to embrace what she has more than ever.

I don't like when people do that, so I hope that is not the direction the writers go.....she needs to be 100% on the level, not throwing people under the bus, trying to make excuses, etc....she puts it out there as it is, whatever that may be as long as its the truth.

Here's the thing, apparently they became best buds last season, even though nothing really ever showed that, but apparently they did. And, we have not heard Kara even once talk with anyone about wanting to tell Lena....if she had done that, and Alex said no way, then sure put it on Alex, but we haven't seen even a tid bit of a scene showing this.

In episode 1x2 Alex arrives at Kara's appartment and is miffed when she learns Kara has told Winn. Episode 1x3 while eating sticky buns at the diner Alex says 'seriously the less people who know the better'

So it would not be a lie to say Alex wouldnt let me.

And we have seen absolutely nothing in this line of thinking since those episodes. It would be a lie, because that was back when Kara was still unsure of herself as Supergirl, Alex was still unsure of Kara as Supergirl, neither of them are the same person anymore, and for the most part Season 1 has been wiped out.....so, I believe it would be a lie at this point, unless we see something of Kara thinking about telling Lena and Alex saying, no way.

If she starts trying to spin it, it will make it worse....because the spin turns out to really just be excuses. I would like to know at some point the real reason WHY she hasn't told Lena. Is it because she is a Luthor? Because she hasn't told but 2 people? Lena thinks they are BFF's and so does Kara, isn't that what Winn was to her? She didn't tell him because she needed a tech guy, she told him because he was her best friend and she wanted to share it with him. So? Why not share it with Lena? There really needs to be some narrative as to why she hasn't told her.....

simple, you throw Alex under the bus. 'My sister wouldnt let me tell anyone', and explain recent events (her attacks from Psi) have made her want to embrace what she has more than ever.

I don't like when people do that, so I hope that is not the direction the writers go.....she needs to be 100% on the level, not throwing people under the bus, trying to make excuses, etc....she puts it out there as it is, whatever that may be as long as its the truth.

Here's the thing, apparently they became best buds last season, even though nothing really ever showed that, but apparently they did. And, we have not heard Kara even once talk with anyone about wanting to tell Lena....if she had done that, and Alex said no way, then sure put it on Alex, but we haven't seen even a tid bit of a scene showing this.

In episode 1x2 Alex arrives at Kara's appartment and is miffed when she learns Kara has told Winn. Episode 1x3 while eating sticky buns at the diner Alex says 'seriously the less people who know the better'

So it would not be a lie to say Alex wouldnt let me.

If she starts trying to spin it, it will make it worse....because the spin turns out to really just be excuses. I would like to know at some point the real reason WHY she hasn't told Lena. Is it because she is a Luthor? Because she hasn't told but 2 people? Lena thinks they are BFF's and so does Kara, isn't that what Winn was to her? She didn't tell him because she needed a tech guy, she told him because he was her best friend and she wanted to share it with him. So? Why not share it with Lena? There really needs to be some narrative as to why she hasn't told her.....

simple, you throw Alex under the bus. 'My sister wouldnt let me tell anyone', and explain recent events (her attacks from Psi) have made her want to embrace what she has more than ever.

I don't like when people do that, so I hope that is not the direction the writers go.....she needs to be 100% on the level, not throwing people under the bus, trying to make excuses, etc....she puts it out there as it is, whatever that may be as long as its the truth.

Here's the thing, apparently they became best buds last season, even though nothing really ever showed that, but apparently they did. And, we have not heard Kara even once talk with anyone about wanting to tell Lena....if she had done that, and Alex said no way, then sure put it on Alex, but we haven't seen even a tid bit of a scene showing this.

If she starts trying to spin it, it will make it worse....because the spin turns out to really just be excuses. I would like to know at some point the real reason WHY she hasn't told Lena. Is it because she is a Luthor? Because she hasn't told but 2 people? Lena thinks they are BFF's and so does Kara, isn't that what Winn was to her? She didn't tell him because she needed a tech guy, she told him because he was her best friend and she wanted to share it with him. So? Why not share it with Lena? There really needs to be some narrative as to why she hasn't told her.....

simple, you throw Alex under the bus. 'My sister wouldnt let me tell anyone', and explain recent events (her attacks from Psi) have made her want to embrace what she has more than ever.

If she starts trying to spin it, it will make it worse....because the spin turns out to really just be excuses. I would like to know at some point the real reason WHY she hasn't told Lena. Is it because she is a Luthor? Because she hasn't told but 2 people? Lena thinks they are BFF's and so does Kara, isn't that what Winn was to her? She didn't tell him because she needed a tech guy, she told him because he was her best friend and she wanted to share it with him. So? Why not share it with Lena? There really needs to be some narrative as to why she hasn't told her.....

Great points, SSAV!

I think what might anger, or rather embarrass Lena about not knowing is that fact that she prides herself in being able to know when people are lying. THEN, couple that with the fact that everyone else in Kara's life that is important to her knows her true identity...that fact, I think, will make Lena feel untrusted. THEN...triple all that with the fact that her MOTHER knows?

An argument I think Kara could use that might lessen Lena's anger/embarrassment/hurt would be something along the lines of, "Lena, you were the ONLY one in my life that I could just be Kara with." I think something like that would actually sink in with Lena, and make sense to her.

I get where you are coming from with that....but I still think that is a weak argument. The person she can just be Kara with is Alex....why? because she has just been Kara with her for 1/2 her life.

Kara can also truthfully say she's only ever told two people Winn and Lucy Lane. Her family and the DEO already knew she was an alien. She didn't tell James who she is Superman did. It could be argued that Lucy was an emergency. Winn is another story. Maybe she could say she needed a tech expert? Everyone else figured it out on their own or spied on her.

I think how Lena finds out is going to be the biggest factor in how she reacts. Is Kara even going to get a chance to explain?

exactly, I think it would be very easy to spin Kara telling Lena into a compliment to Lena juxtaposed to it being a slight that she kept it from Lena. We are all expecting Lena to go evil at some point, I'd like ti to be about something real.

Great points, SSAV!

I think what might anger, or rather embarrass Lena about not knowing is that fact that she prides herself in being able to know when people are lying. THEN, couple that with the fact that everyone else in Kara's life that is important to her knows her true identity...that fact, I think, will make Lena feel untrusted. THEN...triple all that with the fact that her MOTHER knows?

An argument I think Kara could use that might lessen Lena's anger/embarrassment/hurt would be something along the lines of, "Lena, you were the ONLY one in my life that I could just be Kara with." I think something like that would actually sink in with Lena, and make sense to her.

I get where you are coming from with that....but I still think that is a weak argument. The person she can just be Kara with is Alex....why? because she has just been Kara with her for 1/2 her life.

Kara can also truthfully say she's only ever told two people Winn and Lucy Lane. Her family and the DEO already knew she was an alien. She didn't tell James who she is Superman did. It could be argued that Lucy was an emergency. Winn is another story. Maybe she could say she needed a tech expert? Everyone else figured it out on their own or spied on her.

I think how Lena finds out is going to be the biggest factor in how she reacts. Is Kara even going to get a chance to explain?

Great points, SSAV!

I think what might anger, or rather embarrass Lena about not knowing is that fact that she prides herself in being able to know when people are lying. THEN, couple that with the fact that everyone else in Kara's life that is important to her knows her true identity...that fact, I think, will make Lena feel untrusted. THEN...triple all that with the fact that her MOTHER knows?

An argument I think Kara could use that might lessen Lena's anger/embarrassment/hurt would be something along the lines of, "Lena, you were the ONLY one in my life that I could just be Kara with." I think something like that would actually sink in with Lena, and make sense to her.

I get where you are coming from with that....but I still think that is a weak argument. The person she can just be Kara with is Alex....why? because she has just been Kara with her for 1/2 her life.