CW Crisis on Infinite Earths

I don't want Supergirl's 100th episode anywhere, in anyway near the crossover. Already far too many characters in the crossover. I want her 100th all Supergirl.

Here's a possible interesting scene: Kara and Red Daughter fighting along side one another, one of them sacrifices herself, but we aren't quite sure which one it is, we see reactions from everyone, especially Alex who doesn't know if she lost her sister or not. That takes care of having two Kara's, while ALSO still getting the Supergirl Sacrificing Herself scene from Crisis.

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Agreed, gonna be a long year.

Not trying to be contrarian. I just want to explain WHY I want to see these iconic scenes happen, and why they can still be incredibly impactful.

In this medium, those deaths can have a lot of weight, even if temporary. Live action can arguably portray more emotion as to why they are making their sacrifices. Furthermore, one of the things that can make a death so powerful, even when it's temporary, is it's effect on the supporting characters. It's something we don't get much of in the Crisis book, because SO much else is happening, and everyone's memories of Supergirl are gone after the universe is rebooted.

Imagine Kara visualizing Clark with his newborn child, as she flies in to take the blast that was meant for him? Imagine Clark's shock and grief at seeing his cousin perish before him...his little cousin, whom he once dropped off at the Danvers' house to keep safe, giving her life for his. Imagine the guilt he would feel that it was a blast meant for him...Or the concern in Alex's eyes when she sees when Kara doesn't return with the other heroes, only to see Superman walk in, cradling her lifeless form. Imagine getting to see everyone who cares about Kara react to the realization that she's gone. Alex mourning the loss of her sister. J'onn, almost feeling like a father, mourning the loss of yet another child. Somebody, probably James, having to explain to Lena why Kara isn't coming back (if she doesn't already know the secret by then)

Imagine Barry's life flashing before his eyes as he runs faster and faster...faster than he's ever gone, to save the multiverse, and his family. His time with his mother. His youth in the West household. His early adventures with Cisco and Caitlynn. His wedding to Iris. Getting to meet his daughter from the future, but knowing that he's going to miss out on raising her. He races faster and faster, until he fades into nothing, thinking only of his loved ones. And at the same time, you get his family reacting to the sacrifice. Iris losing her husband. Or Joe reacting to the loss of his adoptive son. Cisco and Caitlynn, to whom Barry is closer than family. And Nora, if she's still around, facing literally her worst fear, her father disappearing before her.

These are the scenes I CRAVE, because even if I KNOW the hero is coming back, I well up with emotion. And I LOVE when a TV show can make me feel emotions that intensely.

It's the same reason I still get teary eyed when I watch the end of "Solitude", where Alex comes clean about killing Astra. I've seen it. I KNOW it's going to be okay. But I still tear up because I empathize with what the characters are going through in that moment. Particularly when J'onn goes to leave the room, and Kara grabs his arm. It gets me...every...freaking...time.

And then, because they do have their own shows, we get to see the eventual (and wonderful) return of these characters. Whether it be at the end of the Crisis, or a few episodes down the line...We get the possibility of a whole new set of emotions from their loved ones when they return.

Not gonna lie, I got a little choked up when writing some of those examples. Particularly imagining the possible reactions from Cisco, Joe, and J'onn.


On a different piece of the Crisis topic, it is on INFINITE EARTHS. So we could get the opportunity to see more new (or old) characters from other universes. Who do you guys think will show up? Who do you guys HOPE will show up?

I'm fairly confident we'll see the return of the 90's Flash. I don't know the likelihood, but I'd like to see some Smallville characters, as well. But all things considered, that's a Hail Mary.

It'd be cool to see Earth 90 John Stewart (Diggle) Green Lantern?

I'd like to see more throwbacks to old movies or shows, even if they are just cameos. It can even new actors (or even extras) in old suits. It'd be cool to see the Batgirl suit from Birds of Prey. Maybe someone in one of the Burton Batman suits?

Brandon Routh as an alternate reality Superman? Characters from Titans? (still a Berlanti production, after all).

There are a LOT of possibilities, and I'd like to get your thoughts!

I think the Faustian bargain Oliver made with the Monitor will be the major impact for CoIE. IMHO, despite the comics, it will not be Supergirl and the Flash. Returned from the dead will be complicated in these shows, unless they are different Karas and Barrys. I really believe Oliver’s deal is the key to this crossover.

Argo

As far as what I want in the crossover? I want Kara/Supergirl to have as much of a presence in it as Barry and Oliver. That's pretty simple I think. I want Supergirl to be shown as the most powerful....why? because she is and should be written that way. If they are worried about her defeating the villain to easily, then write a better villain.

As for me and my excitement for the story? I'm very excited, however I am also very cautious, if not skeptical that they can write as interesting of a story as the comics. So, I would much rather go into the crossover with expectations low, rather than go in hyped and that being drenched with the cold water of CW writing.

I don't want Supergirl's 100th episode anywhere, in anyway near the crossover. Already far too many characters in the crossover. I want her 100th all Supergirl.

Amen, sista!!

I don't want Supergirl's 100th episode anywhere, in anyway near the crossover. Already far too many characters in the crossover. I want her 100th all Supergirl.

Amen, sista!!

I'm not really looking forward to the100th episode. The milestone is impressive, but the previous shows'attempts to celebrate it were of decidedly mixed quality. I would be happy if they treat it mostly as a normal episode.

My concern with the Crisis on Infinite Earths is that I almost think they (being the producers) have put themselves into a predictable outcome. Either one of the following will most likely occur:

A). Kara and Barry will die as they did in the Comic version. But, because both are the stars of shows that are ongoing, they both will have to somehow be revived rather quickly. Which, if not done very well, will invalidate anything they did in the Crisis and will leave fans disappointed.

B). Oliver Queen will take their place and die because that show is ending and his death could be considered final. In this scenario, it will seem almost like a cop-out that Kara and Barry weren't sacrificed.

Either of these two scenarios is predictable and so, I'm not sure how they will be able to spin this to create much apprehension. Maybe it's just me (which is very possible), but I am always more interested in seeing something new, something created out of the writers imagination that will leave me on the edge of my seat, not knowing what will happen and how it will end than to see an established story that has a predictable ending.

C. Of course, none could die and in a way, that would be a complete let-down. I know, I'm hard to please.

One thing that I don't want to see happen is a merging of the universes. I like Supergirl in her own world. I haven't seen a cross-over yet that has utilized her the way she should be - she always has to be nerfed big-time and having her in the same universe with so many other superheroes will just compound that problem. Plus, it brings in the complaints of - well, why doesn't Barry come and help? or so and so?

Figured I'd bump this thread since production has started.

If I were to venture an educated guess, based on the scale and number of shows and actors involved, filming of this particular crossover may go until the end of October, if not farther.

Really excited to see the official promotional material as we inch closer to this event.

Question for folks...

Do we mind discussing events from the Crisis comic books? Or are we afraid that may count as possible spoilers for the TV event?

Hmmm....perhaps Oliver isn't going to die after all?

https://www.tvguide.com/news/stephen-amell-not-done-with-oliver-queen-arrowverse/

Awesome pics! Kinda awkward, considering Wolfman "killed" both of them.

From the people at Hollywood North comes these pictures of Melissa and Grant meeting with a comic book legend...namely Marv Wolfman.

Not sure if this would fit here, but I thought I'd try. Not sure if anyone has seen this photo. I saw it on Superman Homepage, but am unsure as to the original source.

It's a picture of two Supermen and a certain Scarlet Speedster. Of course one of the Supermen is Tyler Hoechlin.

To sort of balance my picture yesterday out is one from the women's side of the aisle. And it yet shows once again how Melissa Benoist is the queen of junk food. It could also be a somewhat subtle reminder that Halloween is about three weeks away. This picture was taken from an Instagram story of Elisabeth Tolloch, who plays Lois Lane to Tyler's Clark Kent/Superman. Look at how Mel is just eyeing that plateful of sweets.




Melissa Marie Benoist...what on Earth makes you look as cute as a puppy??

Regardless of the comic mythology, the producers will not mess with their strongest shows, Supergirl and Flash. I do not pretend to know how they will deal with it. But, I hope they bring in a whole new crew of talented writers to Supergirl. The current ones, including the Show Runners, lack vision and quality. Change is needed.

Argo

Part of the reason Crisis on Infinite Earths carries so much weight is BECAUSE of the deaths of both Barry Allen and Kara Zor-El. For this reason...I feel those events need to happen. There are certain story beats that NEED to take place. And seeing those deaths will carry an incredible emotional impact.

I think the writers laid their cards on the table to a degree. It was written in the Book of Destiny that Barry and Kara would have to die. But Oliver objected to that. The Monitor asked what he thought should be done instead. Earlier, Superman had said rewriting destiny comes with a price. I think they might be telegraphing a different resolution.

Exactly, since when has this TV universe always stuck to the comics. I think Oliver traded his life for Kara and Barry’s. The scene with Oliver and Barry in the bar makes me think Oliver knows he doesn’t have long to live. Real life stuff now, Arrow is in its seventh season and Stephen has made noises about wanting to spend more time with his family. Leads contracts are for seven years right, Stephen may have agreed to stick around so Oliver can go out with a bang. The network has to make space for the presumed Batwoman show.

I made this reply on the episode recap as well. But I see no reason why Barry and Kara can't make their sacrifice but be brought back, particularly by some deal or sacrifice on Oliver's part.

Because you are exactly right. I don't see them cancelling either show (especially Flash). And certainly not mid-season. But Arrow has run it's course.

But please let me be clear. When I say I want to see Barry and Kara's separate sacrifices, it's not because I want either show to end. It's because these are ICONIC and emotionally powerful scenes, that will only ever get one chance to happen in live action. THIS is that chance. BUT, I also want that Deus Ex Machina at the end that revives them, because both shows deserve to go on. And I very well believe some sacrificial move from Ollie could be that Deus Ex Machina.

That's just what I WANT to happen. Because we are never getting this Crisis on the big screen. It's a miracle we're getting it in live action at all. And because we're probably never getting it, again, I want those moments to be there.

As for what they'll ACTUALLY do? I don't know. But when they try to take an iconic story and make it their own, with their own changes, it doesn't always end well. My biggest example is Flashpoint. Saying the tv version was a disappointment doesn't even cover it.

But, again, we don't know what they'll actually do. But I VERY much look forward to theories and debates and desires being discussed on this thread, over the next year!

Part of the reason Supergirl was killed in the original Crisis is that they wanted to get back to the idea of Kal-El being the last survivor of Krypton. That not being a concern at the moment, I believe Kara will be hanging around for a while yet.

Personally, I fear more for Oliver Queen.

There is a lot of expectation with this crossover. They can't afford to give it the "Flashpoint" treatment, and botch it.

Part of the reason Crisis on Infinite Earths carries so much weight is BECAUSE of the deaths of both Barry Allen and Kara Zor-El. For this reason...I feel those events need to happen. There are certain story beats that NEED to take place. And seeing those deaths will carry an incredible emotional impact.

Barry sacrifices himself to save literally every universe. Supergirl sacrifices herself to save Superman. In particular, I can see her doing that because, by the time this takes place, Clark will have an infant child.

These sacrifices carry weight.

However (and I said this in the comments of the episode recap), that doesn't mean the deaths need to stick. CoIE ended in a reboot of the universe. Barry and/or Kara could be revived when that happens.

I have other theories, as well. But I'm going to keep those to myself. We may have writers in our forum, from time to time. Who knows? I'd hate for them to change a plot twist just because somebody guessed it was going to happen.

But yes. I think Barry and Kara's sacrifices NEED to happen. Without them, this Crisis will not live up to it's name, and will fail to carry the weight of it's comic counterpart.

Part of the reason Crisis on Infinite Earths carries so much weight is BECAUSE of the deaths of both Barry Allen and Kara Zor-El. For this reason...I feel those events need to happen. There are certain story beats that NEED to take place. And seeing those deaths will carry an incredible emotional impact.

I think the writers laid their cards on the table to a degree. It was written in the Book of Destiny that Barry and Kara would have to die. But Oliver objected to that. The Monitor asked what he thought should be done instead. Earlier, Superman had said rewriting destiny comes with a price. I think they might be telegraphing a different resolution.